Chief Joseph David VANNfamily tree Parents John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann 1735- 1815 Waw Li Otterlifter 1750- 1835 Wrong Chief Joseph David VANN? After the war I married Paul Alexander, but I never took his name. The French Revolution broke out in 1789, and its effects reverberated throughout much of Europe for many decades. Son of James (Ti-ka-lo-hi) Crazy Chief Vann and Nancy (Go-sa-du-i-sga) Timberlake After the Removal, Joseph Vann was chosen the first Assistant Chief of the united Cherokee Nation under the new 1839 Constitution that was created in Indian Territory (Oklahoma), serving with Principal Chief John Ross. The spring time give us plenty of green corn and beans too. Dey would come up in a bunch of about nine men on horses and look at all our passes, and if a negro didn't have no pass dey wore him out good and made him go home. I've heard em tell of rich Joe Vann. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. Sometimes she pull my hair. Lord have mercy I'll say they was. Pretty soon everybody commenced a singing and a prayin'. When they gave a party in the big house, everything was fine. He and his sister Mary were children of James Vann and Nannie Brown, both Cherokee of mixed blood with white-European ancestry. I think I hear 'em say mamma was born on Bull Creek; that somewhere up near Kansas, maybe near Coffeyville. Mammy was the house girl and she weaved the cloth and my Aunt Tilda dyed the cloth with indigo, leaving her hands blue looking most of the time. They'd bring whole wagon loads of hams, chickens and cake and pie. I never forget when they sold off some more negroes at de same time, too and put dem all in a pen for de trader to come and look at. Then I had clean ward clothes and I had to keep them clean, too! He had charge of all Master Chism's and Master Vann's race horses. Everything was fine, Lord have mercy on me, yes. A doctor put it in alcohol and they kept it a long time. I sure did love her. My mother Betsy Vann, worked in the big house for the missus. One time we sold one hundred hogs on the foot. 502-524. Up at five o'clock and back in sometimes about de middle of de evening long before sundown, unless they was a crop to git in before it rain or something like dat. My grandmother Clarinda Vann, bossed the kitchen and the washing and turned the key to the big bank. Original newspaper article says captain/owner of the steamboat was David Vann. In one month you have to get back. Nearly a century later (in 1932), Joseph Vann's grandson, R. P. Vann, told author Grant Foreman that Joseph Vann had built a house about a mile south of Webbers Falls (Oklahoma) "a handsome homebuilt just like the old Joe Vann home in Georgia." That was where all the food was kept. The Vanns later relocated to Indian Territory, present-day Oklahoma. When we wanted to go anywhere we always got a horse, we never walked. My names' Lucinda Vann, I've been married twice but that don't make no difference. Every dollar she make on the track, I give it to Lucy." My other sisters was Polly, Ruth and Liddie. I never did see my daddy excepting when I was a baby and I only know what my mammy told me about him. When Marster Jim and Missus Jennie went away, the slaves would have a big dance in the arbor. He and Master took race horses down the river, away off and they'd come back with sacks of money that them horses won in the races. Everybody, white folks and colored folks, having good itme. My mother saw it but the colored chillun' couldn't. De brothers was Sam and Eli. I'se born right in my master and missus bed. He jest kept him and he was a good negro after that. He was a slave on the Chism plantation, but came to Vann's all the time on account of the horses. Their slaves also helped build the nearby Moravian mission and school in Spring Place. Indians wouldn't allow their slaves to take their husband's name. The fugitive slaves killed the two bounty hunters and the slaves they had been returning joined those attempting to reach Mexico. After de War was over, Old Master tell me I am free but he will look out after me cause I am just a little negro and I ain't got no sense. Explore historical records and family tree profiles about Joseph Vann Chief on MyHeritage, the world's family history network. Old Master Joe had a mighty big farm and several families of Negroes, and he was a powerful rich man. Marster and missus never allowed chillun to meddle in the big folks business. Every dollar she make on the track, I give it to Lucy." Us Cherokee slaves seen lots of green corn shootings and de like of dat but we never had no games of our own. She come up and put her nose on your just like this---nibble nibble, nibble. TRI Train Rental GmbH. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his Negroes before I was born. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. "Rich Joe" owned a large plantation on the Tennessee River near the mouth of the Ooltewah Creek. Marster Jim and Missus Jennie wouldn't let his house slaves go with no common dress out. The following slave narratives all mention the Vanns. He had to work on the boat, though, and never got to come home but once in a long while. They wanted everybody to know we was Marster Vann's slaves. It made my Master mad, but dey didn't belong to him no more and he couldn't say nothing. She was weavin when the case came up so quick, missus Jennie put her in her own bed and took care of her. They'd cut brush saplings, walk out into the stream ahead of the pen and chase the fish down to the riffle where they'd pick em up. Joseph also inherited his father's gold and deposited over $200,000 in gold in a bank in Tennessee. Mammy work late in the night, and I hear the loom making noises while I try to sleep in the cabin. Wife belong to de church and all de children too, and I think all should look after saving their souls so as to drive de nail in, and den go about de earth spreading kindness and hoeing de row clean so as to clinch dat nail and make dem safe for Glory. Different friends would come and they'd show that arm. Because I'se so little, Missus Jennie took me into the Big house and raised me. https://web.archive.org/web/20071026072208/http://www.cherokeebyblo Webbers Falls, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, United States of America. Mr. Reese had a big flock of peafowls dat had belonged to Mr. Scott and I had to take care of demWhitefolks. I thought it was mighty big and fine. on the Ohio River. Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboast could't run. And we had corn bread and cakes baked every day. They put white cloths on the shelves and laid the good on it. , Nancy Vann, John Shepherd Vann, David Vann, Jane Elizabeth Vann, Sallie Blackburn Vore (born Vann), Joseph W. Vann, William Vann, Miner Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States of America, Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States, Cherokee () Principal Chiefs and Uka: Eastern, Western and Keetoowah, Chief Joseph Rich Joe Vann, Principal Chief, http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lpproots/Neeley/cvann.htm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Walker_steamboat_disaster. When meal time come, someone ring that bell and all the slaves know its time to eat and stop their work. Of course I hear about Abraham Lincoln and he was a great man, but I was told mostly by my children when dey come home from school about him. Black Hock was awful attached to the kitchen. But we couldnt learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters and figgers because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. My names' Lucinda Vann, I've been married twice but that don't make no difference. Everybody, white folks and colored folks, having a good time. We patted her grave and kissed the ground telling her goodbye. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Vann, Feb 11 1798 - Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, United States, Oct 23 1844 - Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, United States. The low class work in the fields. He had to work on the boat, though, and never got to come home but once in a long while. Dat was one poor negro dat never go away to de North and I was sorry for him cause I know he must have had a mean master, but none of us Sheppard negroes, I mean the grown ones, tried to get away. But about the home--it was a double-room log house with a cooling-off space between the rooms, all covered with a roof, but no porch, and the beds was made of planks, the table of pine boards, and there was never enough boxes for the chairs so the littlest children eat out of a tin pan off the floor. Had sacks and sacks of money. Before he was killed, James Vann was a powerful chief in the Cherokee Nation and wanted Joseph to inherit the wealth that he had built instead of his wives, but Cherokee law stipulated that the home go to his wife, Peggy, while his possessions and property were to be divided among his children. We settled down a little ways above Fort Gibson. My mother was born way back in the hills of the old Flint district of the Cherokee Nation; just about where Scraper Oklahoma is now. Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. You know just what day you have to be back too. Master Thompson brought us from Texas when I was too little to remember about it, and I din't know how long it was before we was all sold to John Harnage, "Marse John" was his pet name and he liked to be called that-a-way. They brought it home and my granmother knew it was Joe's. My pappy run away one time, four or five years before I was born, mammy tell me, and at that time a whole lot of Cherokee slaves run off at once. Yes, my dear Lord yes. De clothes wasn't no worry neither. Don't know what they ever did with that arm. Yes Lord Yes. He would sing for us, and I'd like to hear them old songs again! Bahnen der Stadt Monheim GmbH. We git three or four crops of different things out of dat farm every ear, and something growing on dat place winter and summer. McLoughlin, William, Cherokee Renascence in the New Republic, Princeton University Press, (1986), ISBN 0691047413. There was a big church. It was Dont Call the Roll, Jesus, Because Im Coming Home. The only song I remember from the soldiers was: Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree, and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. Tree removal and tree service companies can help with pruning, tree trimming, cable bracing and other residential tree care services in your Monheim am Rhein, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany backyard. Revolution and the growth of industrial society, 1789- 1914 Developments in 19th-century Europe are bounded by two great events. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobody ever lacked for nothing. Courtesy of Atlanta History Center. Oh they was good. In the pre-dawn hours of November 15, 1842, the Negroes locked their still-sleeping masters and overseers in their homes. Vous tes ici : breaking news cass county mi; bp trading and shipping development program salary; chief vann family tree . Joseph Vann *Joseph Vann was born on this date in 1798. Yes Sa. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Fall.s Don't know where the other one lived. Bahnen der Stadt Monheim. Vann's father, James . We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. Correction Note: The preceding comments by the interviewer incorrectly depicts the relationship between the family members. I lost my land trying to live honest and pay my debts. Yes, my dear Lord yes. There'd be races and people would have things what they was sellin' like moccasins and beads. When we git to Fort Gibson they was a lot of negroes there, and they had a camp meeting and I was baptized. Run it to the bank! but it sunk and him and old Master died. When the Cherokees discovered that so many of their slaves had fled, they organized a search party to pursue them. Don't know where the other one lived. Had to sign up all over again and tell who we was. He didn't tell us children much about the War, except he said one time that he was in the Battle of Honey Springs in 1863 down near Elk Creek south of Fort Gibson. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. He say he wanted to git de family all together agin. He come to our house and Mistress said for us Negroes to give him something to eat and we did. My uncle used to baptize 'em. is anything else your are looking? The colored folks did most of the fiddlin'. When I left Mrs. McGee's I worked about three years for Mr. Sterling Scott and Mr. Roddy Reese. The only song I remember from the soldiers was" "Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree," and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. In slavery time the Cherokee Negroes do like anybody else when they is a death, jest listen to a chapter in the Bible and all cry. Bus operators. There Vann constructed a replica of his lost Georgia mansion. Everybody had a good time. The married folks lived in little houses and there was big long houses for all the single men. We put all the bed clothes on its back. Old Master bought de cotton in Ft. Smith, because he didn't raise no cotton, but he had a few sheep and we had wool mix for winter. Deutsche Bahn Regional. Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. Old Mistress cried jest like any of de rest of us when de boat pull out with dem on it. This is a reconstruction of the non-Indian immediate relatives of Chief James Vann, based on the solid evidence of Cherokee sources (especially the Moravian Diaries at Spring Place,GA 1800-1836), plus confirming information obtained from postings on the Vann Family Forum: Dey only had two families of slaves wid about twenty in all, and dey only worked about fifty acres, so we sure did work every foot of it good. Yes, Lord Yes. I'se proud anyway of my Vann name. He never come until the next day, so dey had to sleep in dat pen in a pile like hogs. National Express. Isaac had been Young Joe's driver and he told me all about how rich Master Joe was and how he would look after us negroes. Everything was cheap. Everything was kept covered and every hogshead had a lock. Mammy had the wagon and two oxen and we worked a good size patch there until she died, and then I git married to Cal Robertson to have somebody to take care of me. Historical records and family trees related to Joseph Vann Chief. There was music, fine music. It was "Don't Call the Roll, Jesus Because I'm Coming Home." He was descended from Robert The Bruce, King of Scotland. When the war come they have a big battle away west of us, but I never see any battles. Lord, Yes! We had about twenty calves and I would take dem out and graze-em while some grown-up negro was grazing de cows so as to keep de cows milk. It was in the Grand River close to the ford, and winter time. is anything else your are looking? In slavery time the Cherokee negroes do like anybody else when they is a death---jest listen to a chapter in the Bible and all cry. Some of the Indian families was Joe Dirt Eater, Six Killer (some of the Six Killers live a few miles SE of Afton at this time, 1938), Chewey Noi, and Gus Buffington. Half brother of James Fields; Lucy Hicks; Isabel Wolf; Delila Fields; Charles Timberlake and 8 others; Jesse Vann; Delilah Amelia McNair; Joseph Vann; James Vann; Sarah 'Sally' Nicholson (Vann); John Hon John Vann; Robert B. A whole half of ribs sold for twenty-five cents. When the War come they have a big battle away west of us, but I never see any battles. Marster had a little race horse called "Black Hock" She was all jet black, excepting three white feet and her stump of a tail. I'd like to go where we used to have picnics down below Webbers Falls. The most terrible thing that ever happen was when the Lucy Walker busted and Joe got blew up. When de War come old Master seen he was going into trouble and he sold off most of de slaves. Dey didn't let us have much enjoyment. Hams cakes, pies, dresses, beads, everything. I don't remember much about my pappy's mother; but I remember she would milk for a man named Columbus Balreade and she went to prayer meeting every Wednesday night. The cooks would bring big iron pots, and cook things right there. Brother of Ca-lieu-cah Mary Vann The master's house was a big log building setting east and west, with a porch on the north side of the house. He tell us for we start, what we must say and what to do. He made a deal with Dave Mounts, a white man, who was moving into the Indian country to drive for him. Dey was all wid the south, but dey was a lot of dem Pin Indians all up on de Illinois River and dey was wid de North and dey taken it out on de slave owners a lot before de War and during it too. There was a bugler and someone callled the dances. My marster and missus buried their money and valuables everywhere. Records may include photos, original documents, family history, relatives, specific dates, locations and full names. I believe it is the same person.) Robin Vann and Unknown 14 year old in 1809 Vann less. The participants in this near slave revolt received physical punishments, but none were killed. Born in Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, United States on 11 Feb 1765 to John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann and WahLi Wa-Wli aka Polly Otterlifter Mary Christiana Otterlifter Wolf Clan. People all a visitin'. Joseph H. Vann, (11 February 1798 - 23 October 1844). The following oral history narrative is from the The WPA Oklahoma Slave Narratives in the Library of Congress, edited by T. Lindsay Baker, Julie Philips Baker: Yes Sa. Everything was kept covered and every hogshead had a lock. The following year, Joseph Vann and several of his black rebels died in the explosion of his steamboat Lucy Walker during a race on the Ohio River. I've seen em. Everybody had a good time. Chief Joseph, the Younger (1840 - geni family tree An indomitable voice of conscience for the West, in September 1904, still in exile from his homeland, Chief Joseph died, according to his doctor, "of a broken heart". Next came the carpenters, yard men, blacksmiths, race-horse men, steamboat men and like that. All the Vann marsters was good looking. One and a half years after the war we all come back to the old plantation. Joseph married Wah Wli Vann (born Otterlifter). Records may include photos, original documents, family history, relatives, specific dates, locations . It was in the Grand River close to the ford, and winter time. Chief James Clement Vann married Mary Margaret "Peggy" Scott and had 14 children. The women dressed in whtie, if they had a white dress to wear. All the slaves lived in a log house. She turned the key to the commissary too. He had run off after he was sold and joined de North army and discharged at Fort Scoot in Kansas, and he said lots of freedmen was living close to each other up by Coffeyville in the Coo-ee-scoo-wee District. Edit your search or learn more He done already sold 'em to a man and it was dat man was waiting for de trader. A few years of her life were also quite possibly spent among Seminoles during part of that time, although her memory of the death of Joseph "Rich Joe" Vann is clearly a part of Cherokee history. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. They was Cherokee Indians. By and by I married Nancy Holdebrand what lived on Greenleaf Creek, bout four miles northwest of Gore. Our marshal made us all sign up like this; who are you, where you come from, where you go to. Marster had a big Christmas tree, oh great big tree, put on the porch. Sometimes Joe bring other wife to visit Missus Jennie. When the war broke out, lots of Indians mustered up and went out of the territory. After a bloody fracas in 1834, Colonel W. N. Bishop established his brother, Absolom Bishop, on the premises and Joseph Vann with his family was driven out to seek shelter over the state line in Tennessee. On his extensive plantation some 800 acres were under cultivation. Seneca Chism was my father. He was a Cherokee leader who owned Diamond Hill (now known as the Chief Vann House), many slaves, taverns, and steamboats that he operated on the Arkansas, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers. A Scottish trader came to Cherokee Territory in 1755, married Wai-Li and became a licensed trader-interpreter for the Queen of England. Old Master tell me I was borned in November 1852, at de old home place about five miles east of Webbers Falls, mebbe kind of northeast, not far from de east bank of de Illinois River. 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