What they really mean is look at what I want the bible to appear to be suggesting. Why did you decide to use an acronym to lump all Independent Churches in one group. Are you saying this is a mitigating factor? Either way, Cindy Schaap has every right to divorce and I wish her and her family well. Isnt the fruit of the Spirit love, joy and peace etc.? I cannot assume to know the condition of any mans heart. That's just the truth. Why is no one questioning why this decree is in NC and that the parties are shown as NC residents? Theres no excuse for that, and no amount of gods grace or forgiveness gets him off the hook. The latest dirt? You obviously have joined into the sconer realm. Subscribe for free today! I reject salvation unconditionally. 4) Schaap having sex with the teen in his office. I hope you will understand and correct the inaccuracies contained in what I have read here today. He admitted to taking a sixteen-year-old girl across state lines and attempting to have sex with her. Oh yes she is. Joseph Refused 2. Well, wonder no more, you who are looking for the latest dirt on the Hyles/Schaap crime family. I too belong to an IFB church, and went through a divorce myself several years ago. Also pray for rhe one who sits behind bars. Dont we have enough things to worry about in our own lives? You can download these past questions from our site! Im so sorry for the hurt in your life that must have caused this. If youd like to talk about my story and the IFB church, please let me know. COVID restrictions. *sigh*. Concise. Here are five of the most disgusting details: 1) Schaap kissing the victim during counseling. Schaap pleaded. 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The staggering amount of opinions swirling around the internet right now in the wake of the Southern Baptist Convention Annual Meeting and, especially the now-deleted Matthew West song, Modest is Hottest are exhausting. A marriage is a partnership. He sinned and he got what he deserved!!!!! One is Joy Ryder and the other is Nanette Miles. (Not saying Bruce is bitter.) I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery. as most of you know, jack schaap, former pastor of first baptist church, hammond, indiana, is serving a 12 year sentence in federal prison for having sexual relations with a minor. Everyone gets married by Contract with the Government thats why the Government grants the divorce. (CBS) CHICAGO - Jack Schaap, a pastor at First Baptist Church of Hammond, Ind., who admitted to having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old member of the church, was fired on Wednesday,. Do you seriously think that your peculiar interpretations of the King James Bible are from God and are not your personal private conclusions about the text? But there was a point in time when I realized I was lost and in sin. If all Baptist churches would rightly divide their King James Bibles, wed have a different world. Joseph RESISTED 3. All over and done with. While there are extremely valid arguments that need to be made, and discussions about NVBC and other fundamentalist institutions that need to be had, I dont feel comfortable about this particular forum for a few reasons. Phil Schaap Net Worth. Not your pastor. Common sense and human conscience tells us that this is proper. In order to get a head start in your preparation for upcoming examinations such as JAMB, NECO and WAEC, we have made available for you free past question papers that are relevant to this years examination. The nonsense of celestial marriage they postulated, giving them a get out of jail free card from their marital responsibilities is a desperate mental / spiritual gymnastic that comes from someone delusional and probably not in a fulfilling marriage relationship. Now, if she can divorce herself from that whole cultish hell Oh, I hope she can. It is sickening to me that a man who claims to be a messenger of God, with a daughter of his own, would take advantage of a young girl in such an evil and immoral manner.. A coat. Can forgiveness only arise out of a biblical mindset? More You are a very sad and bitter old man. In six years, the teens reported 100,000 salvation decisions, though the youth Sunday School averaged only 2,500. Should a Monument to Anthony Wayne be Erected in Defiance, Ohio? But I have enough of my own troubles to keep me busy rather than condemning him. Bruce was up to his neck in this for decades, pastoring numerous churches. Why do as humans insist on feeding on other peoples garbage? My ex father in law taught the young married class. Current location of the inmate is Ashland, Kentucky. Play it now! But my relationship is not dependent upon my performance as a son it is dependent upon Him. Spiritually sound. It was his OWN fault for having sex with another woman (especially a teenager) but where was Cindy when he was counselling this girl? EDITOR'S NOTE: The information in this article was made available by Jonathan Grisham Burchfield, creator of Stop Pastoral Abuse. You are fundamentally wrong that what you believe can affect salvation in the way you claim because nobody can help what they believe. Most of us have heard the you are bitter commentary/judgment many many times. IFB=independent Fundamentalist Baptist church movement. Copyright 2023 The Life and Times of Bruce Gerencser Powered by Flywheel, UPDATED: IFB Pastor Bill Wininger Outed as Sexual Predator, Earth 6,000 Years Old, but Once in a 100,000 Years Solar Event Sign of Gods Judgment, Let Us Prey: Big Trouble at First Baptist Church, read the letters Schaap sent to his victim here, How to Become an IFB Pastor, Start a Church, and Other Sundry Thoughts. But did she even try?. Receive small business resources and advice about entrepreneurial info, home based business, business franchises and startup opportunities for entrepreneurs. There are people within North Valley Baptist Church and congregants and staff in churches like it who are reaching out for help and guidance, many on the brink of leaving and finding healthier ministries. Simple. It even had a song written about it by a well-intentioned Christian musician that has been shared by well-intentioned Christian fans. Why not be the first to send us your thoughts, The God of Government? It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. The following is a transcription of Part 3 of my interview with survivor Rachel Peach. Potiphar Went to the POLICE! Yet dont forget this, pray for the one who is in prison also, for Jesus tells us You dont think he deserved a prison sentence for what he did? Telling you that you must believe them would not change that fact. As most of you know, Jack Schaap, former pastor of First Baptist Church, Hammond, Indiana, is serving a 12 year sentence in federal prison for having sexual relations with a minor. Pastors are not Policemen. Cindy Schaap- Former pastor of the First Baptist Church of Hammond in Indiana Dr. Jack Schaap's Wife. Jesus lived a sinless life, was crucified, buried in a borrowed tomb, and rose again the third day and whether we believe it or not doesnt change it from being a reality. Potiphars wife CRIED OUT. The quote above represents just one of the gut-punching passages within Prey Tell , written by Tiffany Bluhm. Jack Schaap, former pastor at the First Baptist Church of Hammond, was sentenced in 2013 to 12 years in prison for his sexual relationship with a 17-year-old parish girl. 'We were known for our happy marriage, and it was not a hypocrisy; it was real,' Jack Schaaps wife, Cindy, said in a letter. Scripture: Genesis 39:7-21 What MUST we do when someone makes unwanted sexual advances? Cindy Schaap- Former pastor of the First Baptist Church of Hammond in Indiana Dr. Jack Schaap's Wife. Having a better understanding of what went down there now than then, I am happy for Cindy. As I mentioned in the first point, I don't wish to give others the opportunity to say that this is a full-fledged attack on the Christian religion in it's entirety. ALL YOU CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL (LIKE KEVIN & ETC. I also recently lost someone due to the disease. I guess we`ll still have to wait for the FBI to finish their investigation. $3 Million USD. According to your personal interpretation, divorce because of adultery is permitted. For Jesus would have it this way. The bible teaches you to hate gays, but also teaches that homosexuality is fine. Hes a loathsome piece of flotsam who used his position to exploit underage female church members. 5. https://brucegerencser.net/2022/02/ifb-man-admits-that-i-am-a-better-man-morally-than-he-is-but-tells-me-im-going-to-hell-anyway/. Now, that still doesnt make me better than you or possibly anyone else for that matter, but it does make me justified in His sight, and that is what matters. You are probably a better man than I am morally. Bring it on, Morris the Hateful servant! Thanks.". Whatever her reasons, it is her decision, end of story. Why not look at what the bible says. So does love commit sex with a minor? I will pray for you. Context is a crucial element for productive conversations. Is God Sovereign and Does Everything Happen for a Reason? Should be fired or resign fron being pastor at fbc hammond. If he's convinced a parole board that he's reformed enough to be out of prison after committing the felonious acts he has, then he's in line for an academy award. I was asked to be a detective. I was in prision and you visted me not. I am a HAC graduate and at a place where I dont cast accusations, only look for valid, responsible answers. 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Never again. Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. 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Thats why it does not say, except it be for adultery. A prime example would be the case of Joseph and Mary. Optics matter. yes, that really makes you an expert, doesnt it? Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. This genius has strung a bunch of Bible verses together, using them to threaten me with God, judgment, and Hell. Schaap met the victim through that extra work, which included counseling students at First Baptist's schools, he said. If I were going to that church, I would not stop going to church just because of some bad people. Ill speak to you ANYTIME about Jesus! Please distribute this as widely as possible for the truths sake!!" Spamming threadbare Christian clichs makes Baby Jebus cry. I suggest you have a close look at the website called Stop the Baptist predators. According to a document sent to me today, on May 28, 2014, Cindy Schaap was granted a divorce from Jack Schaap. When will people stop saying look at what the bible says? I think I actually get it! Bruce, what happened my brother? The event was scheduled for January. My heart breaks for Mrs. Schaap on so many levels. It's worth noting that David Gibbs, an attorney for the church, warned Kimmel and Schaap they might be . Wouldnt your method here be one of shutting down conversation rather than opening it up? Those are facts, and us not believing them does not make them any less true. No matter. Blame and shame go deep and people say ridiculous things, juju, to keep their lids down tight so that they dont have to face the truth. Reading comprehension not high on your skillset, Dskills etc,? Believe me it takes two.. .and if you dont believe that, then I have a brooklyn bridge to sell you! Are they still married? The pastor has received his fair share of criticism over the years due to some of his more controversial teachings. What are you qualifications to write about all churches views on divorce? Prepare for the Devil and his angels! The former son-in-law of Jack Hyles, Schaap is now serving tim. All men do. So Mary committed adultery with the Holy Ghost. What the hell does all this word salad even mean? A Response to Tim Challies (Part Two) | Here's the Joy. Juju bees, Two plus two is four, whether we believe it or not. Divorce is allowed in the Bible in cases of infidelity. What exactly is extreme sex drive? It was 12 years. If you'd prefer to watch, you can do so below: the year after he was sentenced by Judge Lozano Jack Schaap Returns to the Radar: Former Pastor of First Baptist Church Resurfaces with Family TL;DR Jack Schaap, once a pastor in Hammond, Indiana, is back on the radar after pleading guilty to sex crimes. In 2011 Clarence Sexton went to Pastor's school at FBC Hammond and showered the church and now-disgraced pastor Jack Schaap with praise. What nobody is pointing out is the Cindy Schaap was gone ALL the time. If one is bitter could that not be a stepping stone on the road to healing and recovery. Look at Jn. March 15, . My reason for cancelling comes from that same place. ! Which Schaap is guilty of. Some Holy Ghost that guides you. The Bible is clear that divorce is permitted for adultery. I see you are a psychologist. Let them talk about why they are bitter? Pray for the family and pray for the victims in this. What Sins ought to be covered> See 1 Peter 4:8. Yes, Jack fell and is disgustingly gross but his wife did not help the situation. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});
. You're probably not off-base for feeling like that. He might as well as strung together various sentences from one of the Harry Potter books as to do the same with the Bible. I am so glad she is divorced from that cad. Before moving to Jack's current city of Durham, NC, Jack lived in Crete IL, Dyer IN and Hammond IN. Hope you can come up with some good biblical forgiveness for others and yourself, Tim, a board certified clinical psychologist, reads one post written by the evil atheist, Bruce Gerencser, and concludes Gerencser is a bitter man. I had no idea Polly had become dangerous! Mr Bruce I have one question for you why are you so bitter ? Immediately. According to the Hartford Institute for Religion Research, most current mega-churches were founded after 1955 after larger churches started to become more appealing to many church-goers. Jack Schaap's Sexual Misconduct CONTINUES Behind Bars Eric Skwarczynski Jun 22, 2020 "In 2013 - the year after [Schaap] was sentenced by Judge Lozano - Defendant admitted putting his 'hand under [the] jacket and in the crotch area of a female visitor,' for which he was disciplined." You can either accept that, or not, but it doesnt change the fact that I know, based on a lifetime of experience, what I am talking about. And regarding bitterness, it is a blessed thing, ever so human and real and important and necessary. Its a shame we dont put to death adulterous men like they did in the Old Testament, then Cindy wouldnt have to go through a divorce, she would be a widow and could remarry on her own accord. Grow up, already. 24 Oct. jack schaap net worth. He wants us to marry + become eternal lovers!, 3) Schaaps cover stories for his numerous rendezvous with the teen. Yet more evidence of the totally inconsistent and, much of the time, incomprehensible nature of the bible. And if Im wrong (Im not!) When I asked you if it was wrong, you said, No, the girl said in a statement. I pray this post is a blessing to someone, in Jesus name, amen. YOUR GOD HAS DOOMED YOU TO CAPITL LETTERS AND WAIT, OH MY! The scriptures are clear on when a divorce is acceptable, Biblical grounds if you will. I pray for her and the rest of the Schaap family that they can reach peace and retain their faith. ! Taking into account various assets, Jack's net worth is greater than $250,000 - $499,999; and makes between $100 - 149,999 a year. 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Very sorry to hear all this mess. Pastor Jack Schaap's Indiana Megachurch is Being Sued for Perpetuating Investment Fraud. I know what Im talking about. No, a lifetime of study and work makes me an expert. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. As such, I unashamedly love my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and His Church. You may be threatened so much that you mouth the words I believe, but you wouldnt really. Later this week, I plan to write a post about marriage and divorce and how IFB churches handle divorce. Never fear Morris, jus kiddin ya, ya dingwilly wobbler Have you always been like this, did they get you young like they got me? So you have faith Preacher and gave up the non-faith you once believed in? He taught you well. Do not sell or share my personal information. The thinking goesGod hates divorce and God intends for marriage to be between one man and one woman for life. Hmmm, something happened in your life! The same women, no doubt, who have been raising their voices to share their rightful hurt after watching Modest is Hottest and seeing it warmly received by many of their fellow Christians. Im so glad Jesus sent you by to tell us what to write and read. Im sure you dont want that on your shoulders. Look Juju, why are you called after an African god? After all, dont they have the Holy Spirit living in them? It was a bit cultish, in retrospect. Reminding me of the dumb Canadian judge, now retired who snapped at a rape victim: Why couldnt you just keep your legs closed together? I gotta shit, and hes been wasting all the toilet paper. Only one party is shown as a resident of NC; the other is shown to be a resident of Boyd County, KY. shelved 231 times. I do not consent to Jesus, or anyone else, dying in my place. When Jack Schaap found out that Kaifetz read Glover's book, it completely ended their friendship. As anyone who spent any time in an IFB church can tell you, divorce is forbidden. (Schaaps wife, Cindy, divorced him in 2014.) He is married to Leah, and they have three boys Marcus, James and Nicholas." You have to be a truly despicable human being when screwing people out of their life savings in a Ponzi scheme, . One could write a book on the reasons that purity culture and the church's teachings on sex and modesty misses the mark. The things Jack S. would say and his childish sayings and layghs. As it is, from what Ive read by, and about, Bruce, it seems that it is the best decision he ever made (after marrying Polly). So, what you are saying is that Jack Schaaps wife is partially to blame for him having sex with the teenager he was counseling. Im still a very active member of my church, in fact I work on staff as a full time secretary. UPDATE: On May 4th, 2022 Jack Schaap was given an early release. 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