I am not sure God as incarnate is the issue, that is certainly not what is preached in Acts 2-3. Pauls athletic references are too pervasive in his letters for him to have shared the antipathy that some Jews felt toward the games. So get to work! Note: ingrafted Gentiles were branches of the tree and not replacements of Israel of the entire tree (replacement theology). Polhill goes on to talk about Paul studying Greek and by him studying under Gameliel and Hellenism, he would be around the gymnasium. at the feet of Gamaliel"). Is it a commentary on the book of Acts in blog form? THey were called Nazarites or Netzarim (plural) or believers of the MEssianic movement (of that time) and were a sect of Judaism. Yes I agree its a commandment given by Jesus, its not optional, and it applies to us today. This post is about how God continued to prepare Paul for his mission through his studies at the feet of Gamaliel.. When and where did they first meet. Critics also say that Pauls exegesis takes from later documents. The Pharisee Gamaliel is mentioned twice in the New Testament (Acts 5:34; 22:3). First off reading the first paragraph, his human teachers and influences matter almost as much as guidance by the Holy Spirit did. Educated under Gamaliel, who is still to this day regarded as one of the most influential rabbis in judaism. That the latter paid especial attention to study is shown by the remarkable classification of pupils ascribed to him, for which a classification of the fish of Palestine formed a basis (Ab. According to Josephus (Life 38.190-191), Gamaliel belonged to "a highly respected family"; there is no good reason to reject the early Jewish tradition that he was the grandson (or perhaps . Gamaliel is reflecting the Hillel tradition of non-violence and allowing God to deal with parties that against the Jews (Polhill, Paul and His Letters, 31). If the mere thought of questioning Pauline Doctrine or Pauls truthfulness ruffles your feathers, its a sign that Pauls rotten spiritual fruit has taken root in your life. The first thing was that they might be with Him personally, together, for His entire earthly ministry, from the time of John the Baptist until Jesus rose to heaven. Generally regarded as one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age , [8] [10] he founded several Christian communities in Asia Minor and Europe from the mid-40s to the mid-50s AD. Jesus spoke the words recorded in Matthew 28:18-20, including make disciples of all nations. Jesus never used the term Great Commission, its simply a tradition of men. The title of Adolf Hitler as the leader of the German Nazis, author of Mein Kamph. Youre putting your western views on a Hebraic book that is of near eastern culture. Like Brad Young, he is deeply influenced by David Flusser but unlike Flusser and Young, he is less in touch with mainstream Jewish scholarship. But I am a Reformed Anglican. . If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. So if I wanted to be like Paul I could stretch the truth and claim that Marco Barrientos was my worship teacher- but really that would be name-dropping in order to impress people!, Quote from The Atlantic Monthly Magazine, January 1999 Article titled What is the Koran? by Toby Lester. Was Judas present when Jesus spoke those words? If we need a man or a group of men to interpret the Word for us, that would make it a revelation that needs to be revealed. There is so much theological supposing these days! Why elevate the words of Marypaulhammad to the highest place, and use them as the lens to view and judge everything else? As an athlete and sports enthusiast, the references really stuck out to me and are passages of scripture that I have read multiple times. Galatians: Freedom through Gods Grace (Wipf & Stock, 2019). Any help is much appreciated, in advance! You cite NT Wright as describing the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah. I do not, however, see this as the case in the rest of the book of Acts, where Paul works the Roman system in his favor. There is no such thing as a Jewish-Christian or a Christian. Terms in this set (31) Where was Paul born? It is also possible that Paul adopted many of Gamaliels teachings but, due to his youthful age, he decided to be more proactive. IMHO, Paul was not an eyewitness to the crucifixion. There are Rabbinic schools today, of course, who would study the sorts of things Paul would have, so perhaps a yeshiva is a good parallel to Pauls education. The Clementine Literature suggested that he maintained secrecy about the conversion and continued to be a member of the Sanhedrin for the purpose of covertly assisting his fellow Christians. 3. 2. Paul, Silas, and Timothy, now joined by Luke, sailed from Troas to Greece and made their way to Philippi. Yes you clearly are removing them from Jewish culture and using Constantine-Christianity and replacement theology to float most of your website. It is an observation of fact that much of Matthew is simply copied from Mark. We are supposed to paint the house first. Maybe God was preparing Paul under those great teachers for the work He had in store for him He became one of the most intense teachers of the gospel in the bible. A sacred formula believed to embody the divinity invoked and to possess magical power, used in prayer and incantation. Thus, Matthew was providing a second written witness, confirming the testimony of Jesus.). BOSS PAUL THE PHARISEE [sing it to the tune of Rapture by Blondie], Im Boss Paul, the Pharisee My hypocrisys plain for the world to see I travel the land and travel the sea to make a convert who is just like ME, All have sinned we know thats true but it never means ME it only means YOU My sins are all theoretical Im the worst of sinners- but dont ask where. and as long as the food was not sacrificed to idols and was kosher you could eat with gentiles. Peter testifies of this in 2 Peter 3:16. Just babbling out loud. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. [Romans 13:8-10, Leviticus 19:18]. ), STEP 4) Paul said; Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. When we look at Pauls teachings and testimony about himself, (in his letters that make up 1/3 of the New Testament,) we should NOT immediately ask ourselves; what did Paul say, what did Paul mean, and how does this apply to my life? The fundamental question is NOT what was in the mind of Paul?, Before any of that, the FIRST question to ask is; does Paul agree with Jesus, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets?, Paul contradicted himself, and his teachings and testimony about himself dont harmonize with the teachings of Jesus (or with Lukes record of his life.) But we dont need to put words in the mouth of Jesus, we can let Jesus speak for himself, and we can listen to Him and obey Him. For example, when Jesus was speaking about a new command I give you, Jesus didnt say THE new commandment, or the FIRST commandment, or the MOST IMPORTANT commandment, or the ONE commandment, or the GREATEST commandment, or ONE RULE. Rabbinical eras Chazal Zugot Tannaim Amoraim Savoraim Geonim Rishonim Acharonim v t e In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor Christian Pharisees were not unknown, even if we cannot know for sure if the wishful thinking of the traditions is true about Gamaliel and Nicodemus. Wow, that Love Song concert was groovy, man. In fact, Paul describes himself as a ruthless persecutor who sought to stop what he saw as an aberration within Judaism. Paul said: I became your father. I am not at all removing Paul (or Jesus) from the culture of the Second Temple period, but I certainly more aware of what was happening in the first century that you appear to be. While Gamaliel was seemingly somewhat relaxed in his view of the Torah, Paul seemed to take it so seriously, that he believed the Christians truly did deserve to be persecuted for believing in a false Messiah. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. So the biggest problem with the church in Corinth was Paul himself, and his abusive absentee leadership style. Instead, it puts their focus on their one special man above all others his personality, words and teachings, character, life example, feelings, experience, intentions, mind, will, emotions, etc. I regularly answer your lengthy and off topic responses. It seems that people want to limit the intervention of God in the lives of people he intends to use. If you continue to post long rambling and inaccurate responses I will ban you from the site. There well over 20 sects of Judaism during Yeshua time. 3). Galatians: Freedom through Gods Grace (Wipf & Stock, 2019). I am enjoying the discussion and information/opinions/wisdom here. But, Once an idea has been accepted by your subconscious, it remains there and it governs your behavior until it is replaced or changed. [ as a pastor named Bishop Dale C. Bronner observed in one of his sermons]. Gamaliel . Historically, it's believed to be 34 AD, give or take a year. Ill have to change the names on these 12 chalkboards hundreds of times in the next couple of millennia. There is no god but God Shahada part 1 in Islam. We do not know if either Gamaliel or Paul heard Jesus preach or were part of any of the meetings which led to his death. If one lies and is decieved that it somehow abounds to Gods glory, that lying isnt a sin ESPECIALLY where God is concerned, what WONT they lie about? And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. Peter was from the school of Shammi and Shaul was clearly from Hillel and we see this when these two Pharisee argue with each other on various topics. When Paul began the training that ultimately led him down the road of encounter with the risen Christ on the way to Damascus, we actually have no details. In Gospel of John chapter 10, the Apostle John records many words of Jesus, including: My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me., I recommend reading the whole chapter (10), and listening to the voice of Jesus first (rather than the voice of a stranger like Paul first. Who was Gamaliel in the Bible? There are some points I agree and disagree with. Paul is inferior, Jesus is superior. R. N. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. [Isaiah 29:13]. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? He is never popular, but always interesting! Just open the Gospels, especially Mathew, which has you in mind, and listen to the voice of Yeshua. Their differing viewpoints do not seem like enough cause, to me, to doubt that Saul studied with Gamaliel. To be extremely polite, I could say that Paul says some things which are difficult to understand. To be more direct, I could say Paul talks like an arrogant megalomaniac with a messiah complex, proclaiming; I am not under the law but yet making up his own laws as he goes along, that everyone else has to obey. what is your source for that requirement? There were no other New Testament books, and the Hebrew Scriptures were the Old Testament which was irrelevant, according to the heretic Marcion.) I am not at all sure you have read my article accurately, nor really spent much time on this site reading the things I post here. Pohill points out that Gamaliel seemed to be very resigned about this new Jesus movement, saying that if Christianity was not of Gods will, they would end in disaster just like the false messianic movements in Israels past did (pg 31). The NIV headings were not part of the original text, and sometimes they can be misleading, but in this case I believe the heading is right on. Its all a part of Gods perfect timing and plan. Paul wrote: The entire law is summed up in a SINGLE command: Love your neighbor as yourself. [Galatians 5:14, Leviticus 19:18], And again, Paul wrote: He who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view (Jesus was the Messiah and the High Priest killed him!). Heres part two of this poem this spot seems the most appropriate place, I am he who searches hearts and minds says the Risen Jesus Christ Repent and do what you did at first Dont be lazy since He paid the price, Yes, Jesus sees our sins today Dont think that He is blind But the words of paul the Pharisee Will put you in a bind, Jesus washed away your sins Dont listen to paul the accuser paul abandoned the Church in Corinth And then paul became an abuser, When you put your trust in Jesus Yes, your stains were white as snow You didnt need to wear a Scarlet Letter Everywhere you go, I will repay each of you According to your deeds This is Jesus speaking to The Church Not a business selling felt needs, For those who claim to be apostles Jesus said they must be tested Priscilla, Aquila, and Apollos Persevered and were not bested, They exposed the false teachings Of paul the Pharisee So the Church in Ephesus rejected paul And had a chance to be free, Bibliography All quotes are the words of Jesus, in Revelation Chapter 2, Do we know what language was spoken in Gamaliels school or likely to have been spoken Hebrew or Aramaic? To which Paul replied, youre fired. Paul then took his team of painters, and started painting the garage and the house. In Philippians 2:6-11 Paul states that Christ Jesus was preexistent and came to earth: he "emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness." This sounds as if Jesus was a heavenly being who only appeared to be human. . Jesus is in agreement with the Law and the Prophets and came to fulfill them. [Matthew 5:17-20]. and I get upset as we read the bible and let someone with their interpretation do interpret for us ,no one can haggle the word of God. Therefore, in times when there is no clarity, we should end there and not come up with our own assumptions. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. Polhil states that perhaps around the age of fourteen to sixteen Paul went to Jerusalem to study under Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), (30). He was brilliant and a top-educated person of his day. Beware of the NAR whale its really a killer whale with a man-made horn strapped on top. This Evangelical Mantra has been accepted by the collective subconscious mind of The Evangelical Church without thought, question, reflection, or even 2 witnesses from the Scripture itself. Especially to a yeshiva student studying to be a Chazzan. .b) What about the so-called Great Commission? scholars can go in making probable rather than possible (speculative) inferences? Here are answers to 2 common objections: .a) What about the so-called Golden Rule? Jesus was asked twice, by two different men, the same basic question about which is the most important or greatest commandment in the Law. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Since November 2021, Reading Acts is edited by Sarah Westphal. I think in certain ways, Paul can be described as a Christian Pharisee who believes in Jesus because there are times when Paul goes very much by the books and follows certain rules. Lets see. How long did the Apostle Paul prepare for ministry? Gamaliel II, also called Gamaliel Of Jabneh, (flourished 2nd century ad), nasi (president) of the Sanhedrin, at that time the supreme Jewish legislative body, in Jabneh, whose greatest achievement was the unification of the important Jewish laws and rituals in a time of external oppression by Rome and internecine . Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. If it wasnt for his prior teaching and influence, then he would not of had the zeal and passion. Jesus never said anything like that, and Jesus did not see it that way. I dont know of a single church that simply teaches the Bible simply and preaches the whole counsel of God, including Pauls sins and mistakes. Of course Gamaliel might have buried St. Stephen as an act of charity, given his stature in the community, not withstanding the hostility of the public. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some (1 Corinthians 9:22 ESV).. Just because Paul disagreed with Gamaliel on one tiny aspect hes therefore a from the school Shammi? Yet Mohammed (saw) reiterated the message as Gods Messenger and like the Pharisees rejected him because their forefathers corrupted the original message. They make Paul the center, not Jesus. Gamaliel may or may not have taken over the position when Simon died. brought up . And one throne for that other guy named Peter. Gamaliel In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor of Jewish Law. we only see him make use of those things POST conversion, this is true enough, but we do not really have a very large database of material to assess Pauls Hellenistic worldview prior to his conversion. Pauls athletic references good point Emily. He was a ruthless persecutor who sought to stop what he saw as an aberration within Judaism. 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