Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Thats food for thought. Now Diane Downs did not say any of this, but told a hard to believe story, and then changed it from one to two masked guys, etc. And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. Diane found with him, the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). ""Moochie"" was a Senior at the time of his death, November 6, 1974. . After graduation, the two went their separate ways for a bit, Steve to the Navy and Diane to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College in California. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. That didnt seem right so we wrote a letter to Mr Hugi with a request for visitation rights. View the profiles of people named Robert Knickerbocker. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. They are still part of their birth family. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. Thank you Lise. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. The Downs incident occurred on May 19, 1983, when the 27-year-old mother insisted that she and her three children had been shot by a stranger on a deserted road in Springfield, Oregon. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. Most get through it fine, maybe some complications or pain, maybe even some post pardum. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. But I am more than willing to review any new info. so which one is it????? One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. Mission accomplished. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Dianes father tried to hire Melvin Belli, but the judge refused to give him some time to prepare and come back to the US. 2. If youre in charge of handling the affairs for a recently deceased loved one, this guide offers a helpful checklist. But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. Robert has resided in Tucson, AZ in a mobile / manufactured home with Tommy. Due process always matters. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. And Steven would hunt her down anyway and charm his way back into her life. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. The rest of the family? CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun? From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. It would never happen todaynever. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? Send a note, share a story or upload a photo. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. David Kessler's top 4 tips for dealing with holiday grief. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. (He WAS shot in the back remember). Lived In Clarksville TN, Bountiful UT, Gilbert AZ, . I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. Don't know what in the world came over me, Christopher P. Stokes told a Wisconsin court. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. But it is not hard to see that the way this tape and her confession were obtained was not legitimate. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. Robert Knickerbocker in Michigan. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. She waseighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. Guilt or innocence no longer need to be debated in this case. Also known as Robert K Knickerbocker, Robert K Knickerbocke, R K Knickerbocker, R . When questioned by police, Knickerbocker admitted to the affair and said that each time he'd tried to break off his relationship with Downs, she'd become violent. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. * Historical, vital, and court records and search results may require an additional purchase. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. He was interogated but, the police never had a reason to doubt him. Wow. Their theory was very shaky. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. They rarely get a break. Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative. Downs was born in Phoenix, Arizona, in 1955 and attended Moon Valley High School where she met and fell in love with her future husband, Steve. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. You may leave a message for the family by clicking here. . . They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. Did she act like a average person? This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. It was pitch black outside. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. Robert Knickerbocker first came into the eyes of the investigators when, upon arrival at the hospital to visit her children after the incident, Diane phoned him looking extremely calm. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication. . There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. 4. What this is evidence of is one more piece of the overwhelming amount of bias that was involved from the start of the case. It was never a slam dunk. After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder. Later that year, Downs was transferred to a maximum-security prison in New Jersey, where authorities believed she would be less likely to escape because she knew no one there and would have no place to run. Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very coached. Discover work experience, company details, and more. Except for Paul Cortez. And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? I am just curious. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. Why? Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. I go fishing with a jurors husband. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. This unexpected proposal took Diane by surprise at a large family gathering. To plant trees in memory, please visit the. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. According to Downs, they had visited a friend in the nearby town of Marcola and were driving back to Springfield along a lonely stretch of highway. I do not have to state anything at the beginning of the blog. Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. But I know that there were major problems with this case. Local police alerted the public to be on the lookout for a dangerous man with a gun as the toll of the attack on Downs and her children became clear: seven-year-old Cheryl was dead; three-year-old Danny was permanently paralyzed from the waist down; and eight-year-old Christie was clinging to life, having suffered a stroke because her blood pressure was so low. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. LMFAO!!!! she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. Diane was right-handed. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. Robert has lived in a mobile / manufactured home in Tucson, AZ with Christian. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. In reply to Nick. I wanted to ask you something on this case. Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. I am not saying she is innocent. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. On the night of May 19, 1983, Downs was driving with her three children. Were they involved in the plot too?? A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. Consider offering these words of comfort if you're not sure what's appropriate. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. Wasnt it speculative on their part? Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. I refer you to this section of the blog: They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. Nuts maybe, but not threatening. Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. 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