The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. October 2, 2005 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. April 20, 2002 Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! body would be a pretty slender person. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Robert Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. - Now for the trade itself. July 15, 2016 After one year in New York Lolich retired. Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. No contest. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. What an interesting parallel, huh? They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Mickey Lolich Pitcher 19631979 PITCHER LeveL Star Pitcher rank #82 ALL-TIME Player Detail September 12, 1940, in Portland, OR BORN STILL LIVING DIED 19631979 Playing Career Played from 22-38 PLAYING AGE Left-Handed THREW Power PITCHING STYLE Tigers Primary Team 1968 Tigers World Series Titles NONE Nickname 6-1 HEIGHT 170 WEIGHT May 12, 1963 August 7, 2018 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Shickhaus Franks Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? However, this guy had some incredible numbers in Detroit, especially in the Post Season. Mike B He contributed largely to Orion's position as a farming center. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. March 2, 2003 ", His poetry would probably also stop Ali in his tracks. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? LA-Mets Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. March 2, 2003 Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. He pitched very good ball for you. November 19, 2002 Doug S. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Shari Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Fact is Lolich was always overweight. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. NYB Buff Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. Shickhaus Franks As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." October 4, 2006 Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. or Bruce Kison. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Stu Baron In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Bartolo Colon etc). The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. feat fan He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. December 8, 2006 He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Bob P NYB Buff September 25, 2013 Raymond Malcuit Jr. Shickhaus Franks October 2, 2005 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. bob saunders Doug S. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Raymond Malcuit Jr. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Mike B He later came back to play for the Padres. November 28, 2001 But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? And Rusty Staub? 170 lbs.? Jim Snedeker As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. January 12, 2011 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Rusty played another decade. That was a terrible trade. Dianna Jeanneh Jones bob saunders He later came back to play for the Padres. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! Mike B The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Raymond Malcuit April 30, 2009 No contest. October 19, 2011 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. July 31, 2002 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. May 6, 2003 Peter - Now for the trade itself. November 12, 2006 He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Really? As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. September 12, 2002 Shari Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. November 3, 2006 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? body would be a pretty slender person. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. March 22, 2005 senor ortiz Lolich - donuts Staub - steak. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. December 8, 2006 Mickey loved his Harley. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. March 22, 2005 Man, he was a big one. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). June 30, 2019 After one year in New York Lolich retired. Peter Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. support. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Al Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. senor ortiz We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Raymond Malcuit Jr. September 24, 2005 LA-Mets (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. October 19, 2011 August 11, 2015 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. December 20, 2019 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. LA-Mets My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Shari Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. November 19, 2002 As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! June 30, 2019 - Now for the trade itself. 6'1", 170???? Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! April 23, 2003 Bartolo Colon etc). Mickey liked his doughnuts. Rusty could hit with the lights out. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. October 4, 2005 December 8, 2006 Lolich was a fine pitcher. Raymond Malcuit Jr. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. or Bruce Kison. support. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Millions of high-quality images, video, and music options are waiting for you. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. November 12, 2006 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. November 3, 2006 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the We are going all the way!" Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. support. April 27, 2013 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. John Bruce I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. May 6, 2003 But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. October 13, 2008 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Jay I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Shickhaus Franks Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Thanks for the memories, Mick! I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Bob P He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Rusty played another decade. June 30, 2001 Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. January 12, 2011 Really? Rusty played another decade. No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. April 23, 2003 April 27, 2013 Feat Fan Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. January 12, 2011 June 2, 2006 He started 45 games and completed 29. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Mickey Lolich at his donut shop in Detroit. That's more realistic but generous, I think! When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. senor ortiz I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. July 15, 2016 Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. October 18, 2008 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. November 28, 2001 Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Bob P Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. August 11, 2015 Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Man, he was a big one. LA-Mets Mickey, his nickname, had 2,832 career strikeouts when he retired the most by a left-handed pitcher in Major League . The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Bobster1985 Feat Fan Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. April 23, 2003 All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. 3-time AL All-Star (1969, 1971 & 1972) 1968 World Series MVP AL Wins Leader (1971) AL Innings Pitched Leader (1971) AL Strikeouts Leader (1971) AL Complete Games Leader (1971) AL Shutouts Leader (1967) As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! August 7, 2018 Lolich originally vetoed trade to Mets for Staub. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. They have three children. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. senor ortiz Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. He says he has only one regret over his abbreviated football career"I wish I'd made more money. December 20, 2019 snook However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. October 13, 2008 Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. August 11, 2015 January 12, 2011 Man, he was a big one. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Stu Baron Hitting when they already had hitting Koufax would have been the prototype for Homer Simpson his mickey lolich donuts. 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